Dear Escapist:

Apr 10, 2006 twenty past seven pm


Dear Escapist:

You have a mighty fine Magawebazine, but please stop designing your pages in landscape mode.  No one has their browser configured like this and I'm tired of scrolling left and right to read your articles.

Every time an email arrives in my inbox announcing a new issue, I am filled with dread at the thought of opening up Firefox and being confronted with left 2/3 of your title page.   I'm becoming so overcome with anxiety that I've noticed a small shiver and prang in my left temple whenever the word Escapist is used, even outside the context of your Magawebazine.  I can feel a deep and violent rage swell up inside me that is only made worse by my frequent playing of video games.

Please, I know I am just one reader and the number of graphic designers that would have to be fired as a result of this change is not inconsequential, but it is for a greater good.  The future of the web rides on pages scrolling up and down, not left and right.  It's the natural order of things.  I'm sure it's in the Bible somewhere.

Thank you,

The GrumpyGamer

Other people's comments:

Posted by Joey on Apr 10, 2006 quarter to eight pm

You tell him, Ron.

Posted by MC Kingzjester on Apr 10, 2006 five past eight pm

Uh... Ron, what is your screen resolution?

Posted by Ron Gilbert on Apr 10, 2006 twenty to nine pm

My screen resolution is not relevant.  The layout of my browser is.  My browser is in a vertical format.  99% of all webpages are in a vertical format.

Posted by Papa Smurf on Apr 10, 2006 five past nine pm

My resolution is 1024x768, no scrolling needed.  You're doing something wrong.

Posted by Stewart Martin on Apr 10, 2006 quarter to ten pm

Just like a game isn't an adventure game unless it's 320x200, a gamer isn't really grumpy unless their desktop is 320x200.  Viva las aventuras!

Posted by spaceship789 on Apr 10, 2006 quarter past ten pm

This is fantastic news! It all but proves Ron is currently developing an old skool 320 x 200 adventure game - I knew it!

Posted by Phlebas on Apr 11, 2006 twenty five to two am

No scrolling needed if you resize the browser to cover the whole screen, you mean.

Posted by Jozef on Apr 11, 2006 ten past nine am

My resolution is 1024x768, too, and scrolling is needed.  That's because I browse with my bookmarks toolbar on the left.  Since I haven't had problems with other Web sites, I find it easier to just ignore Escapist than to conform to their layout.

Posted by Maharet on Apr 20, 2006 ten to noon

that's poo man. mine is the same and i sometimes have to scoll! poo poo poo. :(

Posted by Edmundo on Apr 11, 2006 eight am

Mac users tend to not maximize their programs. Waste of space IMO.

Posted by Ben Roe on Apr 13, 2006 quarter past one am

It's not the screen resolution that's the problem, it's the font size. If you increase the font size (using minimum font size in Firefox), the layout doesn't take account of that and the text spills out of the box. It's very poor web design to rely on a fixed font size: for example, on my laptop (15.4", 1680x1050) the default font is far too small to read comfortably.

Posted by Allen Varney on Apr 10, 2006 ten past eight pm

You know there's plain vanilla HTML text versions of every article, right?

Posted by Ron Gilbert on Apr 10, 2006 twenty to nine pm

I didn't know that.

Thanks for ruining my rant.

Posted by Someone on Apr 11, 2006 five to eleven am

Where!

Posted by noexes on Apr 12, 2006 twenty five to four pm

See Alan De Smet below

Posted by Keko on Apr 10, 2006 twenty five to nine pm

Can the funds on "Buy a Car 4 Ron" be used to "Buy a 17 inch monitor for Ron"?

But, in the other hand, a gamer who run his desktop OS in 800 x 600... that's outstanding grumpyness :)

Posted by Alan De Smet on Apr 10, 2006 half past nine pm

Damn right.  The "TXT" links on the bottom are relatively new, apparently enough users complained.  They're still arrogant graphic designers who really wanted a printed magazine and are unable to get over being stuck on the web.  They even admit it, "The Escapist is based on the idea of a quality magazine, that of a fixed and artistically inspired layout with solid and thought provoking content. One of the earliest decisions in creating The Escapist was that we did not want to create another website.".  Do they really believe that "thought provoking content" was possible on plain old websites?  They apparently believe that an arty photo in the background of the text makes the article better.  Free tip: if your articles aren't compelling enough to draw readers by themselves, a red fabric background and art shot of a manniquin won't save it.   For bonus fun, with Firefox hit Ctrl-+ a few times to make the font bigger (a technique I frequently use to make reading text easier) and enjoy the text collage of garbage a typical Escapist page becomes.

As for those people suggesting you make your browser window bigger, sorry, no.  Some of us keep out browser windows reasonably narrow, the better to read long segments of text.  A full screen browser window on many web sites gives me uncomfortably wide text.  Why should I change my behavior for a single web site?  Users spend most of their time on other websites  Isn't it enough to be a vanguard publication covering the game industry?  Why simultaneously try to push the boundaries of what the web is?  And when I'm doing some reading on my 320x320 Palm device at the local coffee shop, wider isn't an option.

I find The Escapist really frustrating.  They've proven themselves clueless about the web.  They run "I love you and your graphical layout is perfect" letters to the editor far more often than modesty allows.  More than one article consists of one interesting thought and a single paragraph of anecdote padded out to five pages.  I'd chalk it off as refugees from the 90's internet bubble, except every once in a a while a really insightful piece escapes.  They did find a niche that game journalism generally isn't considering.

Posted by Stewart Martin on Apr 10, 2006 ten past eleven pm

Hey.  Ctrl+.  That's nifty.  I could have used that in the past.

I admit, their layout could be problematic for some.  Their layout usually has something much like 2 pages left to right.  If they had the option to move those two virtual pages top to bottom, and also to resize, like pdf(I read the pdf is bad for online reading thing, but this doesn't intterupt flow, because it's not pdf) that would probably make it work for everybody.

Beside the point, if I'm working in a computer program and I want to read a tutorial or some other web page or text, I will make my two windows full width and half height(because I don't have a dual monitor situation).  In that situation, wider is better.  I also have a 19" at 1280X1024.

Posted by bacon on Apr 11, 2006 twenty past one am

hey, you think that's good? Try ctrl and mousewheel. wooo!

Posted by GBGames on Apr 11, 2006 twenty to nine am

I also complained about the text before.  I would print out the PDF version since it was easier than hitting CTRL++ and CTRL+-, since the text would get hidden behind the menu at the bottom right.  Then I discovered the Text link months ago.  It's definitely better for reading it in a web browser.

Posted by Squinky on Apr 10, 2006 five past ten pm

Dear GrumpyGamer,

Use Opera instead. It's got a rather nifty "Fit to window width" feature that you may find useful.

Love,
A Concerned Reader

Posted by Cone on Apr 10, 2006 twenty past ten pm

Click that little "PDF" link when you want to read the site.  That'll solve all your problems.

Posted by WidescreenGamer on Apr 10, 2006 twenty to eleven pm

Dear Grumpy Gamer,

Real Gamers use WS.

I have a Dell 24" Widescreen LCD 4TW :p

Posted by Ron Gilbert on Apr 10, 2006 ten past eleven pm

Real Gamers use WS.
I have a Dell 24" Widescreen LCD 4TW :p

I have a Dell 2405FPW running at 1920x1200, but I'm not sure what that has to do with my browser configuration?  I do not like having to resize my browser to visit someones site.  But then again, I'm just grumpy and quickly turning into the neighborhood crank.  Hey you kids, get off my website!!!

Posted by Stewart Martin on Apr 10, 2006 twenty to midnight

There should be a game where you get to beat the neighborhood kids off your lawn.  Someday, I'm sure there will be(with canes and molotov cocktails)....and there will also be a senator there to bemoan, and possibly ban it.

Posted by Sean Barrett on Apr 11, 2006 twenty to two am

There should be a game where you manhandle your avatar and his web browser to dodge the slings and whims of outrageous web authors/designers.

Oh wait, there is one.

Posted by Jonny on Apr 11, 2006 half past four am

Thats the Idea, im going to start a new Project today...

Get.those.freaking.Net.Kids.away.from.my.page 1.0
An Apache Mod ^^

I think your Statement is correct, a good page should go with the browser size. Its the try to let a page look like a magazine you are actually reading.
Nice Idea through, but its not the way I wanna read an online magazine...

Posted by Flo on Apr 10, 2006 five past eleven pm

The Escapist works fine and looks great for me, but thnaks for the new opportunity of loosing time in the web.

Posted by Sean on Apr 10, 2006 twenty past eleven pm

The site fits in my browser, but only when I have my browser on fullscreen.  What an annoying design...

Posted by Marek on Apr 11, 2006 two am

I hate strongly dislike the Escapist, but for a different reason. I cannot stand the stock photography. It has literally stopped me from reading articles.

I understand if they want to avoid using screenshots or game art but please, Escapist, please get some illustrators on staff so I don't have to look at shitty photos normally found only in cheap ads or local magazines. Or just make a browsable plain text version.

I'm not even kidding about this, believe it or not. I am visually offended by the stock material. It makes the magazine look pretentious and cheap at the same time, even though the content is often great.

Posted by MC Kingzjester on Apr 11, 2006 ten past noon

Aw, c'mon! Stock photography is the greatest thing ever!

Posted by Ron Gilbert on Apr 11, 2006 twenty past noon

Mmmmmmmmm...stock photography...


Posted by MC Kingzjester on Apr 11, 2006 half past four pm

Does this image mean you will now gleefully smack some sense into the faithless?

Posted by Someone on Apr 11, 2006 twenty five past two pm

As already mentioned, they've added the text version. However, rather annoyingly, it seems you have to go back to the graphical version in order to move to the next article.

Posted by Miguel on Apr 11, 2006 five am

I find myself often frustrated by the same thing on the Escapist. Fine magazine, somewhat annoying web layout. However, that turns into an advantage when downloading the PDF version (there's a link along the bottom of the page) of the magazine and reading it on a widescreen computer - usually my laptop on the train.

The PDF format will scale the font upwards beautifully and render it with nice antialiasing, as well as eliminate all of the web cruft when displayed in full screen mode ("slideshow" on the mac Preview app). Just make sure to right click download instead of just viewing the PDF inside the browser.

Good luck,

-Miguel

Posted by Brinstar on Apr 11, 2006 six am

This is why I only read the text version of their articles. It's a complete pain to scroll around.

Posted by Edmundo on Apr 11, 2006 eight am

It's just annoying how people want to make the web an imitation something else.  Some web programs attempt to look like destkop programs, and some websites attempt to be like magazines. I thought people learned their lesson by 1998, but some don't listen.

It's rather easy these days to give a unique look for each page while maintaining a general layout for the navigation and so forth, if that is what they want to go for. they don't need to format the website to look like a magazine in order to acomplish it. They just need people who understand the latest web technologies to make it so.

The TXT version is much better, though the paragraph width is way too long and hard to read on big monitors. And fuck resizing my webbrowser for somebody else! I hope they don't get the idea to add a script to resize my browser, though it really fits with their current way of thinking.

Posted by noexes on Apr 12, 2006 twenty to four pm

I kind of agree, and I like the fact that most of the web isn't like this, but let them be unique, if only for the sake of uniqueness.

Posted by Mike Drips on Apr 11, 2006 twenty five to eleven am

I've got a 19" monitor running at 1280 x 1024 and their magazine fits fine in my browser. In fact there's plenty of room around the edge so perhaps it would work at 1024 x 780.

Are you STILL running at 640 x 480? Man, you have just got to let that old 14" monitor go!

Posted by Ron Gilbert on Apr 11, 2006 twenty to eleven am

And waste a perfectly good Hercules Graphics Card!!

Posted by Joshi on Apr 11, 2006 twenty five past eleven am

Mag's fine in my browser, but my screen is stupidly wide (and it's on a laptop... don't ask) so I can watch my DVD's is super widescreen (yes, I am that type of person).

I agree though, things should go from top to bottom, not left to right.
Runtse de fwotzoo, ching baoyo wuomun!
The Chinese had it right all along!

Posted by Jeff on Apr 11, 2006 twenty five to one pm

Just remember, kids...if you can't get a job, you can always put up a website (or do a podcast!)

Posted by Ozzie on Apr 12, 2006 ten past one pm

Hello people, are you so bored that you spend time complaining about such an minimal issue?
The site works fine for me, I browse it in fullscreen and I can't understand guys who have 5 tool -or sidebars zapped on.

The designers of Escapist have a different concept of crafting their website, and that's fine with me. Don't like everything being the same.

Also like that the Nethack page has nothing more then plain text on a pure white background.
Just fits the game!

Posted by Joshi on Apr 12, 2006 quarter to three pm

"Hello people, are you so bored that you spend time complaining about such an minimal issue?"

It's supposed to be "a minimal issue" not "an minimal issue". We must argue and take point of your mistake right away!

But seriously, this is pretty much what this website is about, being Grumpy. There's no use being Grumpy about things like war and poverty, that's just being opinianated, to be Grumpy, you gotta be Grumpy about trivial things like this.

Posted by yeap on Apr 12, 2006 twenty five to eleven pm

They probably would get a lot more readers if they didn't insist on using the format of a completely different media form. Magazine format is designed for physical magazines that you hold and turn pages. There is a reason webpages don't conform to the ways magazines work - webpages are a completely different media form.

I think their issues look very professional graphics-wise, but only for a magazine. I don't see why they don't get them printed instead - I would buy a physical copy. An electronic copy, on the other hand, I am less likely to read unless they modify the layout.

Posted by Dr. Chet on Apr 13, 2006 half past midnight

I'm not above taking my laptop to the water closet with me...

Posted by Jeff on Apr 13, 2006 quarter to eleven am

Your laptop?!  Dude, that's what the iPod is for.

Posted by Joshi on Apr 13, 2006 twenty to two pm

Not if you a) Wanna watch a DVD whilst in the water closet (hell, if I'm going in with books, and then moving onto a laptop, why not a DVD?) and b) absolutely despise the iPod and everything to do with it.

Posted by dr.chet on Apr 15, 2006 twenty past one pm

if only I could keep my legs from falling asleep...

Posted by Joshi on Apr 16, 2006 half past three pm

It helps when you don't plant the laptop directly on your lap. For some inexplicable reason, there's a chest of draws right in front of my porceline throne (well, close enough that I can rest my laptop on it and hit pause anytime I want), so that comes in handy. What you want to do is construct a minature table or, just take a box or footstool in with you.

Have I taken this too far?

Posted by UsuallyDark on Apr 13, 2006 five to five pm

By "configuring your browser," I think Ron means "dragging the little window resize box three inches to the right." Oh dear, help!

Posted by ArC on Apr 16, 2006 quarter past ten pm

I actually run most of my windows fullscreen, so I don't really mind the Escapists' stupid layout.  It is asinine, but OTOH they did include some funky javascript action so when you press the "Page Up" or "Page Down" keys you automatically go to the next page of the story.

On the first hand, however, that interferes with the CTRL-PgUp/CTRL-PgDn method of switching tabs in Firefox.  So it's a bit of a wash.

Posted by Maharet on Apr 20, 2006 quarter to noon

hahhahaha! my brain hurts when i read those articles and the side scrolling is a pain in the neck! damn you escapist! damn you to all mighty hell!!!!!!

Posted by Ben on Apr 26, 2006 eleven pm

Just put your screen in 1024x728, Ron.

Posted by Juuso - Game Producer on May 4, 2006 twenty five past eight am

I thought there would be chance to download .PDF version...

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Posted by mike on May 20, 2006 twenty to one am

Ya agreed 99% of the webpages are in vertical format and not in horizental. I have never come across the horizental one. Its big pain in the neck with side scrolling!!!!!

Posted by Bavi on May 25, 2006 five past ten pm

Who gave them the idea to design pages in landscape format? I don't know whether it is in Bible somewhere but scrolling up and down is the natural order. So why they tend to be unconventional.

Posted by saddam on May 26, 2006 five to two am

Have u tried to format your pc? Ihave no problems

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